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Treasures/Burrows Cave ezboard Forum Fun
I posted and an exchange with Russ (not “Missouri Brigade”) ensued:
Re: Cave Visit Announcement
Hello, Back for a few... My online "Falling Into Burrows' Cave" is mentioned in another thread, as I was told some months back by a mod. As updates have increased, I'm adding "Come Out of the Cave, Russ!" to my site within the next several days. With Jeff's transcripts, Prof. Jones' WTC theory and a recent web domain featuring Burrows and the ex-neo-Nazi, Frank Collin, it seems the holiday thing to do. I hope to establish a pattern of hoaxing concerning these matters. Also, the net-nickname known as "Missouri Brigade" and posts by that name seem to follow the pattern--in other words, another sock-puppet. I talked with Gen. Dean in 1994 and he was eager to get rid of Russ, as he found him "troublesome." I'm actually rather sad that I didn't include my recollection of my conversations with Gen. Dean (and his wife) regarding Russ in my online BC article. Also, your challenge is answered here and now. I'm not a tourist Native American, Mormon hobbyist or treasure hunter. I don't hide. I was awarded an "Honorable Discharge" as "a testimonial of Honest and Faithful Service" from the Army National Guard of Massachusetts and the Reserve of the United States Army. I regard putting on uniforms that one hasn't earned to be a fetish and an illness. The unit I once served with is now in Iraq. Once more--I don't hide. My name is Richard Flavin and may be reached at 351-201-9523. My webpage has a mailing address. Your challenge is answered; all you have to do is prove you're not a sock-puppet.
(11/23/05 11:43 am)
Reply Re: Cave Visit Announcement Well, I have to respond to Mr. Flavin:
Gen'l Dean was retired as is required by Illinois State law at age 64 in 1994 and I was appointed by the Governors off to replace since I was at that time, Chief of Staff.
Mr. Flavin I think you streach the truth concerning your "servce" to this country. I believe you were a member of the Illinois N.G. not Mass. and I don't think you were in the reserve. If memory serves, you were discharged from the ILL. N.G. at the convience of the Government. In otherwords you received a general discharge under honorable conditions under U.S. Army UCMJ Army Reg 368.
Every body wants to be a hero these days.
When I can find it, I will post here the letter to me from the Illinois Governors office appointing me as the replacement to Gen'l Dean. But, he was upset to say the least in 1994 when he received his retimement letter. He was unaware of the state law.
(11/23/05 12:01 pm)
Reply Honor Got any? I do... First, you say I'm not a journalist, then I provide you with my Commonwealth of Massachusetts News Reporter Lic.# Press - 533 information; second, you claim some lie about service in Illinois by me. I was born the last day of 1957 in Chicago while my father was stationed at Ft. Sheridan. Several years later, awaiting orders to Germany, we stayed at Ft. Sheridan where I attended a portion of second grade. That ends any connection I have to the military and Illinois. C BTRY 1ST BN 101ST FA of Lynn, MA is now serving in Iraq as military police. When I was enlisted we were "Red Legs" and were responsible for towed artillary. You may reach the Lynn unit at 781-581-9410. Come out of the cave, Russ!
PS. My conversations with Billy Dean were in early 1994, several days after I met you. I have honor; do not question it again.
(11/23/05 1:09 pm)
Reply Re: Honor OK!
But, you lived in Chicage for a good while when I first met you and it was then that you told me you had served in the ILL.N.G. and that you had received your H.S. diploma through GED there. I really don't care and I fail to see what anyones military background has to do with this subject. If you served with honor, the congratulations on a good job.
Does it have anything to do with it???
(11/23/05 6:33 pm)
Reply Re: Cave Visit Announcement a question from Mo.Brigade-
"BTW, who was your unit commander when you were active in reenacting,"
For someone who loves to talk about reenactment experiences, you have responded to my email of relating a few of my experiences to you with two questions and no experience of your own in reply. Since you are new here, and know we have never met in the past, and we do know that by now, what am I to make of these two questions that are obviously pointing to an attempt to identify me? Can't imagine why you would want that info for yourself. Could it be you and your old buddy are fishing? Are you passing on all the emails you receive from us to Russ? If this is the case, you are being used, like so many others that have been here, but aren't anymore.
(11/24/05 4:44 am)
Reply Re: Cave Visit Announcement Not fishing at all, was asking so I could put your reenacting into context. What I was trying to establish was did you belong to an authentic unit, or did your unit lean more to the polyester variety. This issue is the one Russ and I were always arguing about. Russ hated the polyester brigade, but would never make a clean break with it.
My unit commander was Doug Sloan, I rode with Shelby's Fifth Missouri, and we often competed against Carl Luthin. It seemed from earlier posts that we had a lot of shared experiences. That was my sole reason for asking you the question.
(11/24/05 9:27 am)
Reply 368 Reply Russ wrote yesterday:
Quote:Mr. Flavin I think you streach the truth concerning your "servce" to this country. I believe you were a member of the Illinois N.G. not Mass. and I don't think you were in the reserve. If memory serves, you were discharged from the ILL. N.G. at the convience of the Government. In otherwords you received a general discharge under honorable conditions under U.S. Army UCMJ Army Reg 368.
Every body wants to be a hero these days.
You will find a copy of my discharge at:
Also, your citation of Reg. 368 [Enlisted Men: Discharge-Undesirable Traits of Character 1-4 (Mar. 7, 1945; amended Apr. 10, 1945)] is usually used with cases of homosexuality. The slander, lies and gross inaccuracies that you spew go toward character-yours. In any discussion about history and science facts are important. Your memory would seem to be wrong and vicious.
Perhaps this afternoon, if the holiday obligations permit, I'll put up a new thread titled Uniform Character which will delve further into your memory.
Edited by: Whyte Eagle at: 11/24/05 9:42 am
(11/24/05 9:45 am)
Reply Re: 368 Reply Sorry Rick. I apologize for that. But why did you tell me that you were in the IL.N.G.? You told me that at the same time you told me about cutting off you toe with the lawn mower.
(11/24/05 11:43 am)
Reply Reply2 Russ,
I accept your apology. Your are correct to recall a connection between my missing right great toe and the National Guard, but you're wrong about Illinois. Chicago's my home, of course, however I lived in the Boston area from 1978-1984, 1994-1996, and from 1997 to the present. My time in Beantown is almost up and I'll be returning home in a couple of years. Or at least that's the plan... Now, while some of our exchanges are fun (after a fashion), military service should not be joked about, except between close friends and face to face. That said, I hope you and yours have a good dinner today. I look forward to more joking around at some future point, buddy, but I've got to get back to work. I hope you understand.
Rick Flavin's Corner:
Edited by: Najee at: 11/24/05 1:14 pm
(11/24/05 11:54 am)
Reply Re: Reply2 Thanks for that Rick. I guess we are all getting testy in our old age. I know I am. When one serves honorabley, they have every right to be proud. I still haven't figured out how you whacked off your toe with a lawn mower. I'll bet that hurt a bunch.
At the end of the month, I am beginning a vacation from all of this cave crap for at least 6 months. By the time I return, everything should be clear.
The above transcript is used without permission.
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